Sects and extremism/integrism in an anarchist society

Ok so it looks like a lot of you are believing in something you call "the freedom of cult" or something like that. In other words everyone would be allowed to believe in whatever the fuck they want, some of you even agree that they should be allowed to organize and build their own cult place (like churches for christians)

But i'm wondering.... What about sects ?? If we follow what some of you said on this forum, anarchists shouldn't tell others what they can or cannot believe in, they should be allowed to believe in whatever they want and brainwash anybody they want.

So what about the sects who believe that the apocalypse is comming, or who talk about collective suicides ?? Like the davidians in the USA, or the order of the solar temple in Quebec... We could even list the scientology who force their adepts to break any link with their families and other friends who are not part of the scientology sect. They manipulate everyone and force the government to change laws to accept them, they brainwash their adepts, they force them to take drugs, force them to give them all their money, etc...

There is also the extremist/integrist islamists who believe in Jihad and who dream about making an islamist revolution to build a strong islamist state that would work based on their religion and impose their views on others.... And also we could list the Jehovah's Witnesses (not sure of the english name) who sounds peacefully but they brainwash peoples with their stupid lies, they force them to give their money, and they have stupid beliefs like they totally refuse a blood transfusion even if it is a question of death or life. So it means that if a kid whose parents are member of this religion, his parents will let him die if he need a blood transfusion because it's against their religion so they can't accept it (it already happenned many times)

So how would you guys deal with those assholes in an anarchist society ? Remember you said that everyone is allowed to have their own cult or religious ideas and that anarchists have no right of telling them they are not right... So what, we are going to wait until they start killing themselves before acting ??

You said we shouldn't burn churches, so we should also let fanatics like the davidians and the order of the solar temple build their own cult place alone in the wood, and let them brainwash others until they kill themselves ?
We shouldn't burn religious books, so we should let the scientology keep writting books about how to brainwash peoples step by step, how to drug them with abusive medicines until they totally obey to them ? We should also tolerate radical islamist writtings talking about doing the Jihad against the infidels and fighting to build a worldwide islamist state to control the women and the infidels ?? The books that say the children should give their life for Allah and become suicide bombers ?? (btw i am not making any generalisation, i am talking about radical extremist/integrist islamism and i do understand that it is only a minority percentage in islam religion, but IT DOES EXIST and always will exist)

Or what are you just going to be an hypocrite and only tolerate the religions that you like and that YOU judge less harmful, like christianism ?? WHO have the authority to tell what is acceptable and what not ??

Please explain us.

 

Oh ok, so your point is that we should let them alienate peoples, we should let them brainwash children into thinking we have to kill ourselves.... Woah great !! Thanks for confirming us how fucking stupid you are.

So in your so-called "anarchist" society, events like Jim Jones's Temple of the People who killed themselves would be totally normal and acceptable. I remind you that 1000 peoples killed themselves and with them there were 300 children.
By tolerating those peoples and giving them the right to do what they want you are as guilty as them.

Inciting peoples to kill themselves should be treated like inciting peoples to commit murders without reason

Off-topic. We're not talking about attacking humanitarian ships or torturing peoples, we are talking about preventing alienation of the peoples and brainwash into thinking suicide is a right thing to do

Yes, i'm suggesting peoples should not believe into something that can harm other peoples, especially children. And i don't give a fuck about what a pseudo-anarchist like you think of that, especially after seeing your opinions.

Kicking out a sect wanting to suicide themselves could be protecting the community, but it would be just getting rid of the problem and not solving it : they would just move to another place and keep going on until they finally kill themselves. We wouldn't solve anything. Those peoples need serious mental help...

Sorry but yes believing in god is part of religion, and it is also definatly against anarchist concepts like many serious philosophers pointed it out. But like i said there's nothing we can do about individual beliefs and anyway we should focus our energy at other place. If we say "fight power not people" i'd also say "fight religion not adepts/believers". The source of the problem not the consequences.

100% agree !

 

You still don't understand anything.

It's the same story than neo-nazis and censorship.

We're not fighting ideas we don't agree with, WE ARE FIGHTING IDEAS THAT CAN HARM OTHER PEOPLES. It's all about the Harm Principle once again.

If i wanted to mind control and censor everything i don't agree with, ALL religions and ALL cults would be prohibited. Obviously this is not the case.

Religions is like believing in Santa Clauss but for adults. Unlike religions, at least you understand that Santa Clauss doesn't exist when you grow up.

By supporting and defending those suicide sects, you are as guilty as the ones telling the children to kill themselves. This bullshit has nothing to do in an anarchist society.

So you are saying that religious extremists like the jihadists who want to kill all infidels can organize ?
You are saying that an anarchist society should tolerate organized religion and churches ?
You are saying that neo-nazis should be able to organize and not only be allowed to believe in it privately ??

Definatly once again you confirm that you are NOT anarchist.

 

ghoul once again you ignore my arguments and you refuse to answer the question addressed to you. YOu are EXACTLY like NGNM85
i said:
So you are saying that religious extremists like the jihadists who want to kill all infidels can organize ?
You are saying that an anarchist society should tolerate organized religion and churches ?
You are saying that neo-nazis should be able to organize and not only be allowed to believe in it privately ??

Hahahahaha ok maybe we have to make a collective vote to determine if collective suicides and brainwashing children into believing they need to kill themselves is harmful or not ??

Stop being so stupid, everyone understand that this kind of bullshit is harmful to others.

If freedom is more important than anarchism then you are probably against a revolution, because a revolution is negating the freedom to the bourgeoisie and the ruling class. Remember what you said: it does not matter how little the percentage is, you just can't impose something by violence, even if it is imposed by a large majority.

Yes he does. But he doesn't have the courage to say it directly. He agreed with NGNM85 about giving freedom of speech to nazis.

Oh really ??


The percentage of "wonderful things" against bad things is too uneven to make religion worth it.

That's fucking stupid. Nobody suggested that. We suggested that public areas should be laic and there shouldnt be religious propaganda. We aren't going to ban things like that, now you are just lying and playing NGNM85's game. Do you think we would ban the burqa and other religious expression ???

You can't even make the difference between propaganda and expression, you are fucking pathetic.

Your opinions smell bad, it smells the odour of capitalism, liberalism and individualism. My patience and respect for those ideas is very little. Except when the person question himself and doesn't refuse to listen, which isn't your case.

 

Some good thing can come out of stalinism too.... Yet i see nobody defend stalinism and dictatorship on this forum...

Do you understand that it is religion that invented the concept of god ? Without the religion we wouldn't even know what the fuck a god is.... It is definatly part of religion and if you believe in god you are religious. Maybe you are not actively praticing christianism, but you are religious.

By the way, i hope your Henry Rollins quote in your signature is sarcasm ?? Henry Rollins is a fucking sellout..