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Cultural Imperialism

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by ILuvEire, May 8, 2010.

  1. butcher

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    "Some civilisations are superior than others."

    Fuck me dead, if that isn't racism then what the fuck is?
    NGNM85, you are not an anarchist, you are a racist piece of shit. Fuck you.
     
  2. Anxiety69

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    Please refrain from name calling. thanks.
     
  3. QueerPunk

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    That's ok we can just "seig heil" NGNM85 next time he posts....wouldn't that be better?
     
  4. NGNM85

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    You obviously can't tell, because I didn't say anything remotely racist. Also, you're taking that statement out of context.

    Very intelligent.
     
  5. butcher

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    Ok, in context...

    Yep, still the views of a racist.

    I see no reason to refrain from calling a spade a spade. NGNM85's posts in this thread have demonstrated an abhorrent level of racism, which should be unacceptable in an anarchist forum.
    Why do you feel the need to implicitly defend such heinous views?
     
  6. Anxiety69

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    I'm not trying to defend anything, simply the name calling got out of hand and wea are making an effort to reduce it, there is a difference between saying someone is foolish (which is acceptable) and someone is a "piece of shit."
     
  7. butcher

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    'foolish' is insufficient to describe the racism of NGNM85's posts.
     
  8. NGNM85

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    No, it isn't. I never said anything about race. Race is actually completely meaningless as it's been proven there is more genetic diversity within ethnic groups than between them, not to mention around 70,000 years ago the human species was reduced to around 50,000, so we're all pretty closely related.

    What I did say was that I object to the politically correct relativism that says that no society is better, they're all just different. I think that's absolute nonsense. I think any society where women aren't allowed to drive, show themselves publicly, or date, and can be beaten or killed on the spot for doing any of these things, that society is deeply, fundamentally flawed. Getting a divorce is better than chopping your wife's head off. I'm not saying white people are better, at all (I never even implied it.), I'm certainly not saying Christianity had anything to do with it, either, in fact if we hadn't developed a strong secular culture we'd still be burning heretics just like they did for 500+ years. You are either totally mischaracterizing, or completely misunderstanding what I said.
     
  9. butcher

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    Hey NGNM85, its such a pity you couldn't make it last month to:

    Organised by the lovely people of the Melbourne Action Against Immigration and Islam
    [​IMG]

    You woulda made tons of new friends!
    http://media.theage.com.au/national...lutes-at-flinders-street-protest-1303780.html

    Oh well, next time i guess.
    Although you could move to England, where the EDL will no doubt greet you with open arms!!
    [​IMG]

    Others are also repping for the master civilsation!!! Come on down, its rad!!
    [​IMG]

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    on the other hand, i'm getting confused?
    [​IMG]

    Only Superior Civilisations please!
     
  10. ungovernable

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    This is the "freedom of speech" that NGNM85 supports. How great !

    Anyway, even if he made up to this protest, he would defend the nazi freedom of speech and would refuse to confront them, so....

    Anyway, he probably never participated to an antifa protest in his whole life...

    And yes i agree with you butcher, his ideas are full of shit, this is disgusting comming from the mouth of someone who pretend to be an anarchist....

    Seriously, NGNM85 have nothing to do on this forum. If someone wants to start a vote to ban him i'm 100% supporting it.
    He is participating to the debates ONLY for confrontation, he never post anything interessing, never contribute to serious topics, instead he prefer to confront the others and think he is always right... Anyway, debates with him is useless, he think he knows everything and to him we are all ignorant... We are all losing our times debating with this ****, and this time could be better invested in PRODUCTIVE debates. In 500 posts, he never admitted a single time that a part of his ideology is wrong, or might be wrong.

    The nazis would laught their ass off if they were reading this forum !!!!
     
  11. butcher

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    Nah, considering their role in protecting the 'superior civilisation', NGNM85 would join them!
     
  12. NGNM85

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    You're being disingenuous. This has nothing remotely to do with what I was saying. I find these people and their ideas abhorrent. Although, as disgusting as their philosophy may be, I'm not willing to imprison or even kill them simply for believing it. Which of course you can't possibly understand.
     
  13. ungovernable

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    Yes we can understand it, because we repeated like 20 times that we DO NOT want to imprison them or kill them simply for believing it. This is an invention of your's, and this is the proof that you are putting words into people's mouth even if we said multiple times that it wasn't true.

    Now make everyone a favour and go hang yourself.
     
  14. butcher

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    I can understand it quite clearly. Quotes such as:

    prove that you actually agree with fascist politics.
     
  15. NGNM85

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    Again, you remove the context. Now you've jumped from calling me a racist to calling me a fascist (Which is really hilarious considering Ihow much effort I've expended supporting free speech and human rights.)
    Now, you're just being a liar. I never said anything about race until you started accusing me of ridiculous things. I find racism disgusting, and, more to the point, as I've explained it's intellectually indefensible. It's like young-earth creationism or the flat earth society, it's just a stupid idea.

    Fascism is arguably even more ridiculous. Let's go back to the word again because apparently we've forgotten;
    : fas·cism
    Pronunciation: \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\
    Function: noun
    Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
    Date: 1921
    1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
    2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality

    I'm opposed to nation-states (As I was saying before you jumped in.), nationalism, capitalism (Or, rather, what we call capitalism which is really a sort of upside-down socialism.), and I seem to be the only one ardently opposed to the "forcible suppression of opposition." So you're just throwing words out there to be insulting.
     
  16. butcher

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    Again, out of context? Because yr comment was so not racist in context? lol.

    Ok, so yr not a Fascist, but you agree with their politics. You are a racist.
     
  17. NGNM85

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    I never even mentioned race until you did. I'm obviously, VEHEMENTLY anti-fascist. Re-read the word, google 'fascism', you'll realize it's the opposite of everything I support.
     
  18. butcher

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    instead you support the superiority of certain civilisations.
     
  19. ungovernable

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    butcher i admire you for your patience, but it is hopeless, NGNM85 will never understand, he never self questionned himself and he never changed mind on anything, he never admitted some of his ideology is wrong so he's not going to admit that the concept of "superior civilization" is disgusting from the mouth of an anarchist



    You, an anti-fascists ??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    My definition of anti-fascist is not some hippy nazi hugger who says we should "PASSIVELY LISTEN TO HATE SPEECH AND NOT USE VIOLENCE" (quoting your exact words) and who says everyone physically confronting the nazis or wanting to silence their hate is a fascist or an authoritarian. No, that's definatly not my definition of anti-fascism. And you are definatly not an anti-fascist, especially with the nasty words we heard from you in this thread


    hahahaha it's funny how you refer again to the dictionary definition. it's so easy to interpret the way you want a definition that is 2 lines long.

    the definition of fascism is way more complex than that. you can't define fascism in 2 lines just like you can't define anarchism in 2 lines.

    it's also funny how you are saying you are not a fascist because you are opposed to nation-states, nationalism and capitalism. Yet i am also against those things, and you still called me a fascist many times. It's funny how you always use a different definition of fascism. When it is to accuse someone of fascism, your definition is very large, and when it is to defend yourself from the accusation of fascism, your definition of what fascism can be is much more small.
     
  20. NGNM85

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    That's sort of a distortion. I don't know what "support" means. Stop me where you get lost; Societies are different. They do things differently. Some do things better. In the west we have the right to have groups like this, we can criticize authority (As we should.), in th US we are free to choose whatever faith we want or no faith, (Although I know England is an exception as taxes automatically go to the Anglican church.) women can go outside uncovered and unattended., etc. I think that's a better way to live. I think most women would think that's better too.
     
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