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Remembrance day: teenager detained for posting image of burning poppy on facebook

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by ungovernable, Nov 13, 2012.

  1. ungovernable

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    Police accused of over-zealous reaction to poppy burning

    Teenager from Canterbury detained after reportedly posting image on Facebook of a remembrance poppy being set alight
    Burning poppy row – the arrest has provoked criticism from human rights groups, with Big Brother Watch urging Kent police to drop their inquiry. Photograph: John Giles/PA

    The arrest of a teenager on suspicion of posting a picture of a burning poppy on Facebook has triggered fresh allegations of over-zealous policing of the internet.

    The 19-year-old was detained on Remembrance Sunday in Canterbury, Kent, after the posting of the image of a poppy being torched by a lighter was reported.

    Kent police confirmed that a youth was in custody and being questioned under the Malicious Communications Act 1988. The act makes it a crime to send anything "indecent or grossly offensive, or which conveys a threat … [where] there is an intent to cause distress or anxiety to the recipient". It is usually used against poison pen letters.

    The Crown Prosecution Service is drawing up draft guidelines on when to prosecute those who misuse social media websites.

    Kent police said officers had been alerted at 4pm on Sunday to the image, which was accompanied by an offensive message, reported to be: "How about that you squadey c****."

    Civil liberties groups criticised the arrest as a restriction on freedom of expression. The campaign group Big Brother Watch called on the police to drop their investigation. Nick Pickles, the director, said: "Kent police need to urgently release this man and drop an utterly ridiculous investigation into something that has harmed no one.

    "It is not illegal to offend people and, however idiotic or insensitive the picture may have been, it is certainly not worthy of arrest. The case highlights the urgent need to reform a law that poses a serious risk to freedom of speech after several ludicrous prosecutions in recent months."

    On Twitter, there was widespread condemnation. Thom Lumley, tweeting as Hotstepperrr, wrote: "Dear idiots at Kent police, burning a poppy may be obnoxious, but it is not a criminal offence."

    There have been prosecutions for similar offences. In March 2011, Emdadur Choudhury, a member of Muslims Against Crusades, was fined £50 at Belmarsh magistrates court for the "calculated and deliberate" insult to the dead of burning two replica poppies during the two-minute silence commemorating Armistice Day, 11 November. Choudhury had denied a public order offence of burning the poppies in a way likely to cause "harassment, harm or distress" to witnesses.

    The Royal British Legion declined to comment on the investigation in Kent.

    In September, the CPS gave a detailed explanation of why a semi-professional footballer who tweeted offensive messages about the Olympic diver Tom Daley was not prosecuted.

    The CPS pointed out in that case the message, "however misguided" was supposed to be humorous and that Daley and his teammates were not the intended recipients.

    In Bristol, a man who skateboarded alongside a Remembrance Sunday parade wearing a pink outfit and horned mask has been charged under the Public Order Act, police said. Jose Paulo Da Silveria, 38, is alleged to have skateboarded beside troops as they marched past the cenotaph towards College Green. He was arrested at the scene and will appear at Bristol magistrates court on 4 December.
     

  2. punkmar77

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    What the hell is a poppy?
     
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  4. ungovernable

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    yep... patriotic bullshit
    everyone is wearing that in canada
     
  5. crustybeckham

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    Poppy Day is a celebration of the Armistice of 1918, though it is more about military pride than the horrors of WW1.

    Disorder actually have a song about it called "Remembrance day".
     
  6. Spike one of many

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    Sounds like POPPYCOCK.
     
  7. Caps

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    Hello folks! Working like a madman so rarely have time to check the site, let alone post. Anyway, first look in a while and saw this come up.

    I've been talking about this a bit recently. My uncle moved back to the UK from the US about a year ago and he said that one thing he's noted that has changed in his 20 year absence from the UK is the increase in horrible patriotism. He said that poppies were pretty much detested when he left in the early 90s. I can believe it. The point of them was to offer support for veterans of WW1. By the 90s most of them had died off and the UK had little pro-war sentiment.

    And how times have changed. Last week, a few of the people I am attached to on facebook put up boneheaded patriotic crap of cenotaphs covered in poppies with shit like 'if this offends you...fuck off' as a message for all to see. Worse still, a guy I know ranted in an internet equivalent of rabid-frothing at the mouth because a shop had - horror of horrors - decided to not sell poppies because it may offend Muslims. I responded that one shop not supporting a 'soldiers are heroes and are doing a terrific job abroad' sentiment was not that big a deal. All sorts of nonsense ensued. Lesson 1: don't go on facebook drunk. Lesson 2: don't go on facebook.

    In the UK, the poppy has had a major resurgence and it now funds soldiers and veterans from all British wars. I think I read somewhere they even fund the recoveries of current soldiers to get them back out to places where they have no right being. So now football (soccer) kits have to have special poppy images on Remembrance week (when did it become a fucking week? It may even be a fortnight, the way it goes on...) and pretty much everyone on TV has one - for women, the bigger and more horrifically ostentatious, the better. Started a new job and I had a parent's meet evening last week, a work colleague asked if I wanted to wear a poppy. As I'm new I politely declined rather than laughing and telling her to get lost (she's very nice, really, just not the most politically minded from what I can gather).

    Anyway, I have one of these lying around and sport one if I can get my hands on one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_poppy_(symbol)

    "Poppies are the opium of the people..."
     
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    As said above, the red poppy is used as a symbol of patriotism in the UK. Things would be better if it was actually to help raise money for people affected by wars but it barely is any more. The far right love their poppys and the routinely make up stories about places not selling them or about sellers getting attacked by hoards of raging muslims. Anything for a bit of indignant rage.
     
  9. punkmar77

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    Wow I had no idea...
     
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  11. IamMe

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    and to think heroin comes from poppys
     
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