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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by bikepunk, Sep 22, 2009.

  1. ungovernable

    ungovernable Autonome Staff Member Uploader Admin Team Experienced member


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    Most are.

    There might be a few very rare exceptions, but for the vast majority of the bands i have posted, i even took the time to review their biography and their myspace to ensure they were supporting anarchism.

    And this site is not only dedicated to the "true and strongest anarchist thinkers".... See our description of anarcho-punk.... We consider a lot of bands who support and are influenced by anarchism are anarcho, and not only the ones explicitly revendicating anarchism...

    A lot of redskins are anarchists.....
     
  2. Solidaridad

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    Okay, I didn´t know that there are anarchists redskin bands, I thought that the colour -red- means the red communist flag. But, as I read your lines I have to think about -Rash- and that means Red and Anarchist Skinheads. Quit untypical for a lot of us, because there are big differences between anarchist and communists. But Rash is very important, because it´s so much better than the bonehead - scum. Even if this skinhead attitude isn´t my cup of tea I think anarchist skinheads are an important part of anarchopunk.

    And I´ve understand that we want to support bands "who are influenced by anarchism and anarcho". But a lot of street punk bands and oi bands I know are antifascists but you couldn´t say that they have anything to do with anarchism. The only thing is, that they sometimes play concerts with well known RASH Bands e.g. Briga Flores Magon (anarchosyndicalist). These bands are antifascists o.k, but they really have no connection to anarchism.

    But it´s no big problem for me, because every could inform about the background on his/her own. .

    But it could mean, that you, if you visit http://www.vatikan.de you know, what you get, but at http://www.anarcho-punk.net you can´t be sure that the bands really have a relation to anarchism.

    I know my word sounds very dogmatic, but I really "dream" for a long time about such a platform for anarchobands. And http://www.anarcho-punk.net seems to be very interesting it´s a real chance to build up a network.

    This is the reason for me to discuss this matter, know.
     
  3. Solidaridad

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    This is my last posting here. I do not feel like a part of a real "do it together" anarchopunk community here. Why?

    Unfortunately criticizm is leading to nothing. Yes, if am thinking about structures I am a really dogmatic anarchist.

    Here some points:

    - Some people wrote that they do not like it that you find "Anarchopunk Downloads" only in english and then you find "international Anarcho-Downloads" They prefer a together community and criticize that the international section is not named anarchopunk. But here is neither a real discussion about it nor any critic leads to a reaction. If I would create a webpage like this I am sure I really have changed it or I wrote why I do not want to change. But then we should come to a collective decision . No anarchist Community wihthout open structures and this point is showing me that it will be to much work to install anarchist structures here.

    And we shouldn t forget to develop such a anarchopunk culture you need an anarchopunk community that wants to spend energy in this process but here aren' t many people discussing topics or making suggestions. .

    In the case of Profane Existence the moderator of anarchopunk holds the flag of anarchopunk very high but on his board as written you find a lot of history anarchopunk bands (often inactive or changed to the capitalistic side) or bands never be part of our scene. Surely there is a greyzone but we should not find bands here really have nothing to do with anarchopunk.


    Then it seems to me that there is a affinity to redskin and oi-bands here . In the intoduction is wirten. : ANTI-AUTHORITARIAN -- Following the true spirit of anarchism, we are strongly anti-authoritarian thinkers inspired by the first anarchist philosophers. We insist on the opposition of authoritarianism in all it's forms. A few lines before you wrote : We also welcome redskins and anarcho-skinheads. Do you think really all the redskins are anti-authorian? Do you think that all redskins are welcome, even the most dogmatic communist? And oi bands, you invite here, too. Here I I informed that we have unpolitical oi-bands in the german anarcho download section and here another person recognized that you find non - anarchist bands here. But nothing happens, no change, no reaction.


    To the end I want to thank that I am able to download fantastic music and we a lot of anarchopunk bands here and interesting people. . Yes, I am sure this webpage has a meaning for world wide anarchopunk network. But I do not feel that here is growing a real, active anarchopunk community and I do not like that there is no reaction to critic and suggestions. Because I do not want to loose to much energy here, I just want to say:

    Bye, bye..
     
  4. ungovernable

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    If you really wanted to do something, then why not post a collective decision about it?

    We have all the tools for our members to express their critics and get involved in the management in the forum: YOU JUST DON'T USE IT.

    So far you are only critizing us without making any temptative to change things.

    We already heard you and took in consideration your critics. Some things have already changed in the forum since you wrote this.

    Now the only thing you seem to not accept is the fact english speaking bands have their own category. We still took your critic in consideration, but it looks like a majority of people disagree against you.

    Looks like we just found another dude too lazy to get involved and who will leave the forum while making a big drama just because some peoples disagreed with you. What the fuck has punk rock became?


    I can't believe you made all this big drama only because the way we categorized the downloads. This is totally ridiculous, especially when most of the website do exactly the same as us.


    And where are the bands who have nothing to do about anarchopunk on our website?

    Again, you are just talking shit without doing anything to help us, nor making any suggestions.... How the fuck do you expect your critic to lead to somewhere helpful?

    Just tell us what bands you are referring to and why they are not anarcho anymore.

    We don't care what the bands has become. Are we going to remove crass because Steve Ignorant make shows selling at 25 euros??

    And what the hell is the link with Profane Existence??


    What a big load of bullshit. Most of the redskins i know are not authoritarian.

    IT IS BLATANT OBVIOUS WE ARE WELCOMING NON-AUTHORITARIAN REDSKINS

    We have a whole paragraph about anti-authoritarianism, trust me if a fucking stalinist come here i'll ban him.

    You are finding stupid reasons to critize us.

    I didn't see your message in the german section and i don't know what band you are talking about.

    We have a goddamn "REPORT POST" function, USE IT instead of whinning.

    As for the other italian band, you are lying. We reacted, and all Los Fastidios albums were moved to the non-anarcho bands.

    Beside two isolated case, what other arguments do you have to talk so much shit and say we tolerate authoritarianism?

    Are you blind or just totally crazy?

    This website is 1 fucking month old and we already average 200 daily connected members, with a shitload of new posts... We already have 1000 fucking registered users....

    So far this is one of the most active anarcho-punk forums on the web and you say we are not building an anarcho-punk community, what a joke! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

    I defy you to find only ONE SINGLE anarchist website being as popular as anarcho-punk.net 1 month after it opened to the general public?


    Again, we reacted, we took your suggestions, what else you want us to do when you are too lazy to post a vote about the things you want to change?

    Yeah, running and giving everything up at the first disagrement is so much easier than getting involved and try to change the things together like a real anarchist would do....

    Let's all save our energy and stop getting involved from all projects where a vast majority of (anarcho) peoples disagree about a very small detail!
     
  5. Solidaridad

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    Thank you for your quick answer....
    Itś not true I only want to criticize. My first step was to upload two compilations here and I really try to be an active part.
    Now I was starting a translation of "introduction and points of unitiy" and then I recognized that there was no debate here about criticizm and sugesstions. Since days no answers here, no own ideas...

    I was not to lazy to post a vote but I was to "silliy" to understand this instrument. Wouldn't it be easier for newbies to explain it how this does work? Are you sure all the people here now the goddamn "REPORT POST" function? I am not the technical freak that you are and I think I am not alone here.

    Yes and as i wrote that in the german section there are bands like Loikaemie http://www.loikaemie.de/ .But yes, I know that this is more the problem of the community that upload such bands. But for me it is just a little bit frustration to loose energy in discussing here if loikaemie has something to do with anarchism. Yes they have perhaps this antifascist attitude but they have lyrics speaking against weak men, acting like woman, hippies, "faggots", they hate the whole politic including the left So I have big problems to have this shit here.
    But I know that here you have a lot of different people and not all could see the differences between antifascist streetpunk, silly oi and anarchopunk.

    Yes and i have still the opinion is o.k. to discuss such topics your describe subjectively as "small details" And at the moment the english bands not only have their own category they have the anarchopunk label, too. The international section is called international anarcho download, do not forget this.

    And I do not have problems with your direct speech, because I provoke it but your angry words are a reaction I was waiting for a new post in this debate... But I am not lying because Loikaemie is a german band not italian, just for information.

    Now I am learning and trying out this "report post" function...
     
  6. ungovernable

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    Ok i'm sorry, glad you still want to discuss and try to solve the problems you are critizing. I thought you would just critize us and run.

    I was talking only about your last message, i saw you uploaded albums and participated to the debate.

    Ok you are right, i think we need to explain this more clearly. I'll make a post about it as soon as i have the time.

    I didn't know about their lyrics - i don't speak a word of german, so i guess you are right it doesnt fit in the anarcho section.

    However, i doubt they hate the left since they have recently played for RASH Montreal's 15th anniversary

    It was only to make it more obvious the section is not only limited to PUNK music but oh well, i renamed the section... I will not debate hours over a little word :p
     
  7. ungovernable

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    Here we go, i added a post in the "information" section to explain how to report posts
     
  8. k3k3

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    One thing...or 2 that came to mind...
    Anarcho punk is about message... so could it be possible at least for some mp3's to include lyrics on .txt file and art also. I mean without lyrics all message gets lost. Then it's just angry music.

    2nd... could that text under download..."NOTE: If you like the album, support the scene and buy it from an underground distro or from the band itself!"
    could it be bigger. It feels like less necessary thing as it's on smaller font. Small thing and easy to fix so why not.
     
  9. meansofexistence

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    i've downloaded a couple of albums on here that had the lyrics and album art included in the .zip file.

    i know that personally i do not own every album that i've uploaded so therefore cannot include the lyrics, at least not accurate ones. but if you really want to know the lyrics to a certain song, you could look it up somewhere on the net. sometimes they are hard to find but usually if you google a band with "lyrics" in the search phrase it will pull up something.
     
  10. Solidaridad

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    I am sure this will be one of my last post. I just informed the moderating team that in the german section you can download loikaemie an "unpolitical" oi skin band from Germany. And this band has really nothing to do with anarchism. And I have sent a translation of their german lyrics and used the ! function. . But know I know that there is a toleration of such bands here.And this is not acceptable for me. I was informed that this band was moved to the "other downloads" This is wrong because at the moment you can upload it under the german section of anarchopunk downloads, too. But for me its not enough just to move this files, this schould not be part of a anarchopunk community. I would not write this lines if this would be an unpolitical streetpunk or oi-network because there no one could follow this discussion. But I hope here on anarchopunk net is a differnce between the moderating team discussed this issue and the rest of the community. What do you think about unpolitical oi?

    And perhaps Loikamie is because of their explicit lyric completely different.
    We should forget that band members in their early years was in the fascist scene and playing in such bands. They have changed the name and know they are antifascist.Even if they in their history played with greyzone bands but this sometimes happen in the unpolitical oi -scene. .

    Half hour ago my last concrete e-mail requests was answered by a member of anarchopunkned. Unfortunately he only prefered to the lyric of one track. I inform that Loikamie sings about womanish, weak skinheads did not manage to fight against nazis like real men anymore. (like hippies) They sing against vegetarian but in a really stupid way if they ask "What has eating meat to do with cruelity? They use fag in their lyric in a discriminate way and refer that nazi grandfather (lying like a hippie on each other on the ground of the trench like hippies ) and all the nazi leader was faggots. They sing in fun songs about raping, killing and torturing children and women. In no fun lyrics they disribes the ideal of an oi-skinhead life, behing hatred and feared.

    The answering person let me know that everything I quoted was obviously unserious.... He pointed out hat Loikaemie is talking about killing women and eating children and asked if I think this is is serious? He think that all here an can understand this is just sarcasm and jokes.

    I should get in touch with Loikameie because he doubt that they would tell me that they are sexists and such....

    Anyway, he remarked that Lokiamie is moved to the "other downloads" category.

    "Other Downloads" means they are NOT anarchist, so this issue should be solved know. I was asked why I persist debatting on useless issues? If the RASH can accept this band, if the majority of the anarchists can accept them, if los fastidios can accept them, if brigada flores magon can accept them, and if most of the strongest anti-racist skinheads can accept them...... He think that anarchopunk download can accept them, too.....
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    Last words: but I cannot accept it. Do you see any problems if the lyrics would write about killing jews or black people? Is this sarcasm or a joke , too? Or it is okay if the women are the victims. Why I cannot understand the irony? In anarchopunk scene there are endless discussions about sell out, about a band xyz, about Jello Biafra, profane existence this or that but there seems to be a toleration of such unpolitical oi and stupid antisocial lyrics. Far away from our anarchist values..

    Yes, a lot of party people here (punk, skins) would have a nice party with Loikaemie and cannot unterstand why they are not allowed to play in the rooms of JUZ Mannheim. And for Rash bands its often seems enough to have a anti-nazi attitude. But there is a big difference between Loikamie and Brigada. Just read their lyric!
     
  11. ungovernable

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    You are really a funny dude..... Each time something is not EXACTLY how you want it, you threaten us to leave the forum..... Then just leave dude, we don't need selfish peoples like that here.... If you can't accept that there are different opinions, then we have no lessons to receive from you.


    You argued over the fact that Loikaemie is not anarcho.

    WE MOVED THE GODDAMN ALBUMS TO THE "NON-ANARCHO OTHER DOWNLOADS"

    The problem is solved now. But nooo, you are never happy.

    ???? what the hell are you talking about??

    WE MOVED THE ALBUMS!!!! To a forum dedicated to NON-ANARCHO DOWNLOADS

    is Loikaemie NON-ANARCHO ??? YES
    Does Loikaemie fits under the NON-ANARCHO CATEGORY ???? YES
    End of the story.

    Maybe it is the time to realize that this anarchopunk community also accept NON-ANARCHIST DOWNLOADS, why do you think the "OTHER DOWNLOADS" forum is here for??

    If you took the time to read our introduction text (oh yeah i forgot, this text is totally useless, thanks for reminding us) it says clearly this site is not exclusively dedicated to anarchists.

    Being antifascist and loving the RASH is not apolitical.
    or maybe you think in the opposite peoples who are anti-communists and play shows for the Blood&Honour are also apolitical peoples????

    This is ridiculous

    You contacted us and said that loikaemie says in they lyrics that they "kill women and eat children"..... AND YOU THINK THIS IS SERIOUS???? You think this is an argument ???

    But brigada are good friends of loikaemie.... You are so dogmatic and elitist that you should also hate BFM...
     
  12. ungovernable

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    You are also talking about Jello Biafra...

    OH MY GOD he wanted to be the mayor of san francisco !!! BAD BAD BAD politician

    This could be a reason to ban him and also ban dead kennedys from this website.... It's almost as stupid as the arguments you brought about Loikaemie
     
  13. Solidaridad

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    Okay, I have sent you almost translations of four of five songs and I asked if you get them because it could be I had technical problems. I have used the ! function, as i told you. I really do not know if this traslation was submitted correctly. I wrote it was hard work for me to translate the lyrics (indeed two hours) And somebody of your moderating team said to me, yes we have discussed the translation together . This answer arrive after an e-mail contact. And know I think you have never heard about this tracks, you offer here for downlaod or you are and in this case this word is correct, completely ignorant.

    So let me know if you really have the complete translation. Then you can publish it here and let the community decide what they think about it.
     
  14. Solidaridad

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    I have organized a concert with brigada flores magon, what do you want?
     
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    It is so silly, know. If i click on INTERNATIONAL Anarcho-punk Downloads and if i click on germany section I, perhaps only on my computer, will come to Loikamie download. Check it and think about your words..
     
  16. ungovernable

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    .........And if you check correctly the thread is MOVED

    The icon shows it has been moved and if you click any of the thread it will lead you to "OTHER DOWNLOADS" forum

    Again, i cannot find any serious arguments. Have you ever talked to the band members? Did you read interviews or something? I'm sure they can answer your question or they already answered them.... I seriously doubt this band REALLY hates vegan or homosexuals.... For the sexism, obviously it is sarcasm...

    Before starting to talk shit about a band with so little argument you should at least ask them directly for explainations before.... Maybe just ask them on their myspace or something....

    And for the rest, the only little part of texts you translated are poorly translated and difficult to understand.... But i can post it if you insist

    by the way the moderators didnt take any collective decision or such, i just answered your PM like you asked me
     
  17. Solidaridad

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    Please send me the "poor" translations I have to check if this is really the whole information I have sent you. As i told you I am speaking about a 2 hours work At the moment I am not sure because I have tried it translate it word by word. But in german the lyric seems to be "poor", too.
     
  18. Link K2B

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    This whole thing's daft. Even primitivists have the internet and shop in Tesco's when they think no one's lookin. You can only practise what you preach to a certain extent without withdrawing from the real world totally. The rest you keep alive ideologically and look for ways it can be actualised in the future, which is why this site exists and why we're all here.

    Or you can squat out in a bin, safe in the knowledge you're more anarchistic than the rest of us ;)
     
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    one of mr biafra's laws he was going to pass was to make everyone in the financial district of san fran wear a clown suit to work. genius idea if you ask me.