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Black Block...?

Discussion in 'General political debates' started by antitude420, Jun 29, 2010.

  1. rude-boy

    rude-boy Experienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    why would they not get paid? they still work there? if some one comes and smashes a window they wont take it out of the guy working at the cash's pocket.
     
  2. dinscurge

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    i agree with trashing sure, but dont just go beat people, i mean just because some one works at mc. donalds doesnt mean they are fascist pigs no it doesnt mean anything, just because some one is a cop doesnt mean they are "bad" guys they are still people inless you can be sure that the person is a dick/pig or w.e. its better to assume they arent totally corrupted and have a longer struggle than to just kill/beat the crap out of every single person. destroy mc donalds and walmart corporate stuff, not so much the ma nd pop business (ofcourse if you know they are dicks its cool) other wise your worse then the pig dogs your trying to overthrow, atleast they dont go beat everyone up. a preverbial "ethical black block"

    editz: its probably not helping the cause if your beating up people, it doesnt really hurt the corporations(inless your beating like ceo's/board of directiors that kind of person) beating up the manager at a local mc donalds doesnt hurt the corporation at all, but it does hurt the cause, if you just go around beating people up no one is gonna believe that you have ethics/goals atleast not the "workers" you have to hurt the businesses economically they dont care about people in downtime theres always more people, if you hurt them in the pockets thats where it counts, if you can cut the power to their buildings, take out their phones, shut down their computers ect. break the windows/walls/shelving/security cameras/ steal the expensive stuff.
    editz2: it seems to me a "demonstration" would be ALOT of work planning to pull it off, without having high percentage of your mates getting caught by the cops and w.e. but it is a valid show of power(in the sense of having the ability to rebel/the possibilty or a revolution showing that there are commited members) especially if no one gets caught
     
  3. squatpunk

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    ok that might be true the cop might be a very nice guy in his or her personal life, but that person in still a fucking cop. he or she is still part of one of the oppressive apparatuses of the state, and nice person or not they will fuck you up if they get there orders. so i dont loose any sleep over a cop thats being beaten up but i do agree that it doesn't really help unless you're beating them up to go though a riot cop line or something.

    and about beating up individual people off course it doesnt help "the cause" because the people in the system can change but as long as the system still exists it doesn't matter what people are operating it. but with nazi's there is a difference. is you go around and beating up nazi's like in the video it can have an positive effect. is you do this on a regular basis than nazi's will make damn sure they don't walk around you're town looking like a nazi. they might move to another town, where the same thing will have to happen to them. after while if they'll know they wont be safe anywhere they will either quit the shit or keep quiet. this way the nazi's wont be able to recognize each other and find like minded people to grow as a movement.

    and i know its not a perfect strategy, its not even that wishful, violence in the hope that good will come out of it. but I've seen this in so many city's where nazi's are in the majority they keep beating up the squatters etc so they dont have time to do anything else (activism etc) but defend themselves. and new people are scarred of because no one wants to join the loosing side of anything, especially if that means getting beaten up regularly.

    but like i said not the perfect way of going about this so is anyone has a different strategy that worked for them i would really like to know.
     
  4. Xiv666

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    riot is not the way of the anarchist coz youre feeding the government.
    the best way is black bloc that is a peaceful protest.
    like this one = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6qpYliAjXY
    they fight us,we fight back.
    Anarchism means lack of hierarchy and government, not lack of organization. Black is worn to promote solidarity, and make the bloc appear as one ...
     
  5. killedbydeath

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    ya it sucks for them. and really, the actual economic destruction caused by destroying a mcdonalds or starbucks will never be felt by either of the two. also the reason for the destruction will always be attributed to the 'mindless and violent destructive tendencies of young criminals under the influence of illicit substances' and so any actual message never makes it to the larger population. unfortunately action like this does little actual good for the cause.
     
  6. squatpunk

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    I read a lot of negative comments about the black bloc and destroying a macdonalds, but were are the alternatives???? what would people here suggest to do then ???? i think most of us can agree that a mac is a corporation the world would be better without. so what are some of the tactics, if not black bloc????

    i do however think that destroying a mac or starbucks is useful and will be felt by the lager corp.
    in many cases the stores had to close down and be borded up because of protest coming to the area.
    this stops them from making money during that period and if a store is destroyed that costs them money aswell. and make no mistake the only thing a corp cares about is money, as much as i would like to believe that their time will come, this is just not realistic.

    also speaking of "the cause" to me is a dangerous thing because there is no thing as a homogeneous mass who fight for the same thing, the one cause. so if people take the opportunity given by a large protest to fuck up a starbucks i say more power to them. and the corporate media might attribute this to drugged-up violent youth or whatever but fuck that, that is still no reason to stop doing an action because the state run medium of indoctrination gives it their own spin. and even though macdonalds isnt going to go bankrupt because a few of their locations get messed up, the thing that is most important in this, also for our many causes, is the feeling of empowerment that a person can get from an action like that.
    the feeling that finally the corps are at the short end of the stick. this can give people new energy and power to keep on fighting. cause noting is more frustrating to fight for a long time without seeing any result, even though the destroying of these stores is a short term result, it is a result to empower and inspire.
     
  7. JoeyV

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    exactly Best way to have a protest is to have a peaceful protest, but when police get aggressive, then you turn it into a violent protest. From all the protest that i have seen, they are usually started by police. shouldn't believe what the media says about black bloc or any kind of anarchist movement. There is a reason why they don't want any media attention during there protest. I read a zine about a protest where black bloc members actually set a car on fire so the smoke could block out the helicopter news cameras.
     
  8. Random Person From There

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    I've been confronted with this argument:

    I replied with this:

    But it made me think, does burning corporate/big businesses actually result in anything other than the protesters being labeled as terrorists, the corporations receiving insurance funds and backing, endangering human lives, large scale repressions by the police, and increase in the amount of stock bought (since the stock was burnt along with the shop) which further hurts the environment? May I have a clear answer/clarification please? What does the black bloc actually achieve through all of this wrecking?
     
  9. (Filipe)

    (Filipe) Experienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    Black Bloc

    hi , do u agree with this kind of action?
    if yes why..
    if not why..
    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32OW6cu4Ypk&feature=fvw[/video]
     
  10. Kerstbal

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    Re: Black Bloc

    Well that's pretty dificult. In one way, it confirms peoples ideas that anarchism is violent, which it shouldn't be in my opinion. But on the other side, peaceful protest is being ignored, and riot police are pigs, so this can also be defended, because it sure does send a message: we have had enough of your bullshit.
     
  11. Random Person From There

    Random Person From There Experienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    Re: Black Bloc

    This subject has been put forth on another topic. But I'll repost the same post.

    "I've been confronted with this argument:

    I replied with this:

    But it made me think, does burning corporate/big businesses actually result in anything other than the protesters being labeled as terrorists, the corporations receiving insurance funds and backing, endangering human lives, large scale repressions by the police, and increase in the amount of stock bought (since the stock was burnt along with the shop) which further hurts the environment? May I have a clear answer/clarification please? What does the black bloc actually achieve through all of this wrecking?"
     
  12. snookams

    snookams Experienced Member Experienced member Forum Member


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    Re: Black Bloc

    well the problem is even if there is peacful protests, anarchists are still labeled as terrorists.

    i think it's good. no innocent lives were lost, no animals were killed, and some piggies got what for.
    boycotting the government by not paying taxes and boycotting businesses by not buying from them is the best way to take down the system non-violently, but it's also the longest processes, so i think there needs to be some degree of peace and some degree of chaos to achieve total anarchy.
     
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