Is punk more a subculture or social movement?

That's not what you said on the other topic. You are saying that anarchism is too complex and there is too many different ideas, you want everything to be feed to you without making any efforts.

Funny. A few posts ago you were bitching anarchist philosophers and pretending we shouldn't quote them.

i wasn't being an asshole before you started insulting me.

i critized you on your thoughts, and on the other side you just resorted to personnal insults. Who's worst ?

Buy yourself glasses (and maybe a brain), i have 2200 posts, it isn't 2200 posts of insults. And actually, before you started insulting me like a bitch, for absolutly no reason, i didn't have a conflict with a member since many months.


I posted something that wasn't even addressed to you, talking about "Fighting the real fight". Then you jumped on this topic and started to insult me for no reason. Here's how it started:

YOU are the one who started it. Stop crying.

 

Shut the fuck up, you prove you have no argument to say when you resort to personnal attacks. You don't know shit about me and because i post a couple of message every day doesn't means i spend my whole days on the computer and i don't experience the real world. Keep those assumptions and speculations for yourself.

All you can do on this forum is post bullshit, half of the time i read a post from you it's just some moronic bullshit and you keep trashing ppl.

This is just a matter of point of view, stop making affirmations like you know the ultimate truth.

I repeat : what you are saying is as stupid as saying that the nazi skinhead scene is not totally different from the rest of the punk scene

You still don't understand that i am barely involved in the punk scene anymore. i am an anarchist before being a punk, my main fight is and will always be anarchism. Anarchism is impratical within the punk scene because of ignorance and ppl who misinterpret what anarchism is all about, not because of arguing.

It's funny, you are critizing me for arguing... Proves you dont know shit about what anarchism is all about... Ever hear of questionning yourself and debating everything ? More over, why the fuck did you join a DEBATE forum ?

You are really a fucking ignorant idiot, saying bakunin is a rip off of marx hahahahaa one of the worst joke i heard in my whole life. You know nothing about anarchism. Bakunin was always one of the biggest opponent to marx, he was kicked out of the first international because of the debates against marx, he wrote many texts against marx, accusated him like no one ever did before, etc.... Bakunin's thought is nothing like marxism. Saying the opposite just prove your big ignorance.

it's funny that you prefer kropotkin who is actually the one who adapted marxism to the anarchist thought, basically he made an anarchist version of marxism, it's not called anarcho-communist for no reason. Kropotkin is actually much more close to marxism than Bakunin ever was.

You're just an ignorant idiot, you understand nothing of marx, nor bakunin, nor kropotkin.

And on top of all, you are a sectarian bastard who try to find reason to trash bakunin, kropotkin is for you what marx is for marxism. You're an elitist and dogmatic fanboy of kropotkin who reject other school of thoughts for some stupid reason, that's definatly not an anarchist approach.

So fucking what ? I don't care. You are just a fucking idiot if you tolerate that. And you are definatly not an anti-fascist. What the fuck are you doing on this forum ? Go back jacking off with your friends who like nazi music.

No, i just critize fucking idiots like you.

Yeah right, i spend my whole days on this forum hahaha, you are a fucking clown dude.

This is a fucking debate forum, this is meant for giving your opinion and arguing with people, stop critizing me for doing what this website was made for, or just get the fuck out. Why the fuck did you join a debate forum if you don't agree to let others argue ?

Bla bla bla. Start by fighting ambiguity on your own side before beating up nazis. And also, stop encouraging the music of the nazis you claim to beat up. How fucking contradictory... you say you beat up nazis but you listen to their music hahaha

wow you are really a dumbass.... i don't care about what people think of me over the internet, and i don't care about my reputation or else i would do like the idiots like you do : agree with everyone and close my eyes when i see people listening to nazi music and other ambiguity

 

Yes you said something like that.

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Yes you critized me for quoting philosophers and you say it's an invalid argument, you say that what they say means nothing because its just cos they are well educated, etc... re-read yourself.

ohhhhh ok i remember now, you are this fucking idiot pre-teenager who knows absolutly nothing about anarchism and sent me a PM because you kept saying that it is not true that anarchism means anarchy in order.... you kept saying you need proofs on paper to believe that the circled A means (A)narchy in (O)rder.... wow, you are even dumber than i thought

and actually i dont remember calling you an homophobe. if i did, it's because you used homophobic insults.

Now you are being homophobic, just proving me right.

and you're talking shit about federalism, proves once again that you dont know shit about anarchism.

yeah right, i posted 2000 messages on this forum to bitch others hahahha you are fucking funny. i spent hours and hours to build this forum but oh yeah right, it was only to insult others.... Fucking dumbass... And i never bragged about what CD i have, i actually NEVER posted anything about the CD i own.... liar.... about the flags, it was a joke, but you are too fucking dumb to understand it.

No i didn't deserve that, this fucking message wasn't addressed to you, retard, you had no reason to jump on the discussion and start bitching me. So now fuck off, stop crying and go fuck yourself.

I have all right to critize someone wearing an avatar of JOHNNY ROTTEN on an anarchist forum. Johnny rotten is a fucking idiot, a sellout, a capitalist, and everything we are fighting against. CLEARLY DOESNT BELONG TO AN ANARCHO PUNK FORUM, only a retard like you would think the opposite.

 

Agreed. THis debate is fucking dumb and i don't have time to waste with idiots like KAAOS-82 who can't do anything else than trash philosophers for no reason and resort to personnal attacks.

Let's close this topic...

 

yeah right, keep going on with your assumptions and keep making up stuff, thats the only thing you can come up with since you are out of arguments. you don't even know me so just shut the fuck up, you dont know if i go to protests or not, if i was at the last g20 in toronto or not, etc.... just shut the fuck up.

and yes you trashed bakunin, you keep saying he is exactly like lenin because he talked about an "invisible dictatorship of the proletariat", you said bakunin was a rip-off of marx, etc.... you're just an idiot.

 

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who's lying now ? where are the "sweeping assertions" ?

You're just a liar, you can't even assume what you said. yes you did trash bakunin, but you probably don't even dislike him, you are just an opportunist who was trying to jump on an opportunist way to critize me and you found nothing better to come up with, just like when you pretend i never go outside and spend my whole days on computer. How fucking pathetic.

You're an opportunist and you don't got anything to say so you just make up facts and say random assumptions and speculations. Pathetic.

 

Yes you know nothing about anarchism, you proved it by saying bakunin is just like lenin and marx
Yes you know nothing about anti-fascism, you proved it by saying it is counter-productive to critize idiots who listen to skrewdriver and other white power bands.

Start by stopping to speculate about how often i go outside, if i went to a protest and how many hours i spend on the computer, before talking about what is matching reality and talking about speculations.

And i can assure you that in all organisations i was part of, i never saw some stupid childish comments like "you never go outside and you never went to a protest", you sound like one of those pre-teens claiming they are more anarchist than you

Normalising neo-nazi music like you do is something to abolish, no way i'm going to have any tolerance towards that. That's called anti-fascism, and all anti-fascists i talked with understand this principle.

Oh really ? I thought i was spending my whole days on computer, never go outside, and never went to a protest....

Previously you said there is nothing to do with punks and they will never become anarchist, and now you are saying you spend more time in the punk scene than in anarchism activism.... Isn't it contradictory ?

So you are critizing marx but you call yourself a communist, how fucking funny... i could say stupid stuff like you and pretend that you are just a rip-off of marx and bla bla bla

Unlike you i am not a dogmatic elitist bastard, the only school of thought i identify myself as is anarchism without adjective. I hate people who pretend to detain the ultimate truth and trash philosophers like bakunin based on some lines of a text like you were doing on this topic. I am a synthesist and an anarchist without adjective like Errico Malatesta explained to answer the Platformism project which wanted to eliminate some school of thoughts in anarchism like individualism, primitivism and syndicalism and they wanted to focus only on anarcho-communism and federalism. This is sectarian and elitist, they're doing exactly like you when you trash anarchist philosophers like Bakunin.

How can you appreciate Bakunin and say he helped you to formulate your beliefs when you pretend that Bakunin is a dictator of the proletariat who is just like lenin but more tricksy and you also say he is a marx rip-off ???

Same for me, but even after repeating you 3 times you kept saying that i care about my internet ego. So i think you also care about your internet ego, according to what you said..

Funny, earlier you were pretending that anarcho-punk is just punk and it's not revolutionnary, now you are saying that it is your contribution to anarchism, so you are agreeing that anarcho-punk can be used as a tool for anarchists to spread a message.... wtf?

Anarcho-punk is not revolutionary and its just the same bullshit as punk, but you are spending most of your time in a band to spread a message.... how contradictory