Civlization is the real enemy

[skulldrix]

"i don't need religious predictions or prophets from the past
to see this so called civilization is never gonna last"- Toxic Narcotic


Okay, so a couple months ago a bunch of you guys apparently don't like, or understand why i am against civilization.
Firstly, civlization is going to EAT itself. We are destroying the planet, destroying our ecosystem, destroying the world, and everything is because of AGRICULTURE.

We are consumer robot machines, who buy our own opression and are brainwashed into our own fears and hatred.We are disconnected, desensitized, dehumanized, despiritualized, and really have lost meaning to live, all we see is production, production, technology, technology, we slave to the system that abuses us, because we have made agriculture the only way to feed the 7 billion.

Here's some things i have my own opinions on:

PEAK OIL- is real. Fossil Fuels are nonrenewable resources, meaning THEY ARE GOING TO RUN OUT. Ever since the 1800s, the economists have known this. So we are basically heading to our own exctintion because of this. We use oil for everything. We eat fossil fuels, it's in grains, it's in the fucking products we buy, it powers these fucking killing machines called cars that we so apparently need ( not at all actually). When peak oil happens this country is going to go into international wars. And we are basically going to die.

You can't eat money people! You can't eat a computer, you can't eat your torture Doc Martens!

TECHNOLOGY- Technology is not neutral. Nor will it ever be, even if it has a future. Especially industrial technology, like computers. This computer might be used right now for research, but we all know it's basically being controlled by private companies. We also all know how dangerous these tihngs, they are basically failures. Why? Because what kind of life do you have if you spend all of your time wasting away in a false reality, a false community of friends, a false life, a fucking screen. See anything wrong with that? Remember the song " Cybergod" by Nausea? And " Control All-Delete" by Dystopia? People depend on computers to complete them, they are subservant to these things, they desensitize them and make people dependent on them, you can have it all under your palm, nothing is sacred, it's all just a parts. Parts being numbers, it's all just numbers, compressed, and demeaned. You can see pictures of the beautiful Amazonian forests on your apple laptop, but this is just merely a ghost of what you could have actually interacted with, which you actually could have seen in the real world, which you actually could have lived. Why do you think the rich take vacations to some of the most beautiful places in the world? In reality, that Amazonian forest is being destroyed,by colonialists, and the amazonian way of life is being destroyed, they can't even cross certain places, without having to pay to the tourists, who pay to see them. Doesn't make sense.

But anyway as I say again, as the natural world dies, and people's lives become more robotic, we have to rely on artificial intelligence. Artificial Intelligence, isn't even real intelligence, you just have to accept everything based on faith, you don't really know, you don't really learn anything. It's not living, it's like your fucking dead. For example if you wanna learn about bees, instead of actually immersing yourself with bees and observing the way they do things, and in connection to the real world, or obtaining knowledge through relationships with others, you instead have goon a webpage and be subservant to this pile of steaming shit in order to learn. Because really, you can't be with the bees anymore. You can't step outside, wonder into the world a couple of months and come back enlightened, you can't explore or interact. Because you are constantly confined in a DESERT called a city. You have to live a repetitive grey routine life, of slaving to a system that is destroying your bees, and poisoning you, and degrading you. A system that is killing you. So as you become more like a machine, it's the machines that are getting all the life. Also, i'm not even going go in depth on how computer's emit co2.

But I will go in depth on how people develop addictions, they try to use computers to fill voids, or insecurities they face in the actual world, but would rather escape into a false world then look into reality and kill the fucking bastards. Just like any other addictions. Like for an example people will create these superficial identities through social networking and have all the friends and emails and ichat buddies they could never get in the real world, and though these webconnections are obviously isolated, exposed, and void of any sacredness, but thriving on obnoxious and pretentiousness, all because in the real world they feel they don't have enough friends or aren't getting enough attention, so they must create more lies to try to feel better or complete. It's another false antidote for the symptoms of fear, being insecurity, anxiety, and just always trying to be somewhere you are not ( like some Eckhart Tolle shit), hatred; because they make you hate yourself eventually, and hate your skin, so you have to change for them. The hierarchy and competition really are illogical. ANd you know what, i'm gonna talk about hierarchy in just a sec, but do you what I'm getting at, this technology-worship age is just a another form of death. All they want is more and more, how many people are camped outside apple stores waiting for the next iphone, knowing that another new gadget will come out a month later, and they'll probably never be happy. Just one more app, just need more ways to scroll webpages, more features, more ways to isolate myself, more ways to TUNE OUT FROM THE WORLD AROUND ME, MORE WAYS TO BE ENTERTAINED,MORE ESCAPE, MORE DESENSITIZATION, MORE WAYS TO WASTE MY TIME, MORE MORE MORE MORE! It's all just MEANS TO AN END. They won't be happy until computers are fucking 3D, but the world is 3D, and it actually has feelings, and it's alive. The cyberworld is an illusion, it doesn't exist, it's fucking numbers, it's fucking industrial, it's a fucking product, and fucking projection. Don't let it eat your soul away.

SCIENCE- The best scientists WERE the hunter gatherers, because they could maintain and understand the natural world, maintaining a sustainable relationship with it, valueing it, loving it, and being spiritually fullfilling, and fucking happy. The problem with civilized science is that it's all about dominating, separating, and introducing these futile myths that we are "Above Nature" the "dominant species" or that nature is an "exteneranilty" and that we rule everything. Not fucking true. With this domination of nature scientists degrade, and vivisect the natural world, they convert it into parts, into numbers, the universe is an OBJECT TO BE CONQUERED. LOLOLOLOL!
These idiots are going to kill themselves! Everything they have created has failed us. Like the invention of clocks. Why the fuck do we need clocks? Our lives shouldn't be a fucking schedule, we shouldn't be always trying to beat the clock. Time is stress, it's worry, it's fucking slavery beleive it or not. Live in the now, time is too much future. It's a fucking entrapment. But either way, this is how science has failed, scientists will prove anything you pay them to prove, like didn't scientists prove 100 years ago that blacks, irish, and jews weren't humans? Scientists COMMAND nature to do things. That's the problem.
I don't have a problem with term science ( being the systematic knowledge of something). But learning about how something works, doesn't mean we have to fucking shred it to bits and see what happens, and use it to build some shit we don't need. Like fuck. Scientific Slaughter dudes. Science should be fun,and textbook free, science should be exploration and travel. But we should totally bash the term. Because we are all scientists by studying a system.

NATURE-It is undeniable fact that we are actually a part of nature, we owe our asses to this planet. The earth is NOT A RESOURCE TO BE EXPLOITED. The earth is not a WHORE TO BE FUCKED. We need her, she is fucking alive. She gets wounds, she feelings, she's a fucking LIVING THING. She gives us things food, she provides for us. Why aren't these things sacred? They fucking are!

We are part of an ecosystem beleive or not. We eat other animals ( were supposed to), those animals eat the grass, that grass eats the soil, the soil is full of different organisms, and when we die, guess who eats us? The soil! The worms! The flies! We become gifts! That's the beauty of death, becoming apart of a new life.
So dont' let anyone tell you about some dominant food chain shit, that is seriously fucked up, they are ecokillers, earthcrushers, soil rapists, and tree flayers.

That's why we view women as objects. Women are the givers of life, the sanctuaries of reproduction. But women must be compeltely spiritually degraded. We must do a bunch of harmful and insane rituals such as removing all of our important body hair, plastering our faces in cruel chemicals,starving ourselves to be thin, and tons of other shit just to meet the standards of society, to please the ideals of men. I can't refer to how many names women in this culture are referred as to.

Our ideals are based on lies, and this hatred of nature, this dehumanization. We defile our bodies, we are cold and distant, we hate are smells, and hate are breasts, we hate our behavior, so we refine it, we repress it, we do everything to kill what's human about us, we are so lost, it's like we are already dead. What' s left of nature, what's left of humanity I don't know man.

MANMADENVIRONMENT- What do you have left when you take away all the forests and animals? You have a desert. What do they put on the desert, these artificial landscapes called "cities". Urban, and identical, and stone, and and grey and lifeless. The only reason we have all these urban buildings is because there used to be forets there, and we are overpopulated. Everytime I look at the citadel, all i see is power and slavery. It's totally polluted,it's a fucking wasteland. LITERALLY. The soil is gone, and dried up. The animals or dead. Imagine if someone coercively ripped out all the hair on your head, and then placed hair pluggs there. Pretty fucked up., Pretty insane. Death to the synthetic world!

OVERPOPULLATIONS- It's obvious that when we run out of resources, we wont be able to feed the rapidly rising population. But why do we populate to vastly, and why to tribal people have low birthrate,and infant mortality.It's because of agriculture. In agriculure we eat this shit called grain, which we cant even eat in the first place and it is pretty much killing us. Firstly, about birth control, women in poor communities or are less educated have higher birth rates. Secondly, well this should be firstly, women menostrate, more frequently, and at earlier stages of life, so they have more babies. This is because women are less active, and they eat grain which makes turns into fat, when you have too much fat you menostrate more often. Women don't have to menostrate. And it's strange how take for example, the Mbuti tribe, they are all lean and healthy, and they start sexual practice at very young ages, and it is encouraged actually, and they don't practice contraception and the teens don't get pregnant. Yet in this culture it's the exact opposite.

ALSO: COMMUNISM, LEFTISM, VEGANISM,MOVEMENTS, are not going to save anyone. We need direct action. Movements are expression of public will, their just systems that people cling to obtain revolutions that don't actually happen, and are only in their heads.

PRO UNABOMBER!


But anyway, i could just go on and on, about shit, but my eyes hurt and I'm really tired. So no, I'll just give you some videos, that will probably explain things better than me, they'll explain everything:






I probably won't go on this shit ever again for a while, because I can't waste my time anymore on this shit, but have fun, because I'm leaving. I'm just trying to spread the message as many ways as possible, because I WANT, to save the planet, I want to live a good life.







I think i've said most of what I wanna say another idea will pop up tomm

[punkmar77]

I probably won't go on this shit ever again for a while, because I can't waste my time anymore on this shit, but have fun, because I'm leaving

ok

I think i've said most of what I wanna say another idea will pop up tomm

or not....

meth is a hell of a drug...

[butcher]

OVERPOPULLATIONS- It's obvious that when we run out of resources, we wont be able to feed the rapidly rising population. But why do we populate to vastly, and why to tribal people have low birthrate,and infant mortality.It's because of agriculture. In agriculure we eat this shit called grain, which we cant even eat in the first place and it is pretty much killing us. Firstly, about birth control, women in poor communities or are less educated have higher birth rates. Secondly, well this should be firstly, women menostrate, more frequently, and at earlier stages of life, so they have more babies. This is because women are less active, and they eat grain which makes turns into fat, when you have too much fat you menostrate more often. Women don't have to menostrate. And it's strange how take for example, the Mbuti tribe, they are all lean and healthy, and they start sexual practice at very young ages, and it is encouraged actually, and they don't practice contraception and the teens don't get pregnant. Yet in this culture it's the exact opposite.

Kill the poor and use their meat as a replacement for grain. FULL ANARKEYZ

[Wooly]

TO THE TREES MY BROTHERS

[vAsSiLy77]

uuuuh, the next derrick "wild" jensen cartoon version:

I want to live a good life.

too bad that you still act like a fellow traveller idiot, barely able to give the gist of your gurus rantings...
hail thee, dumbdrix of the blood and soil yooth!
sum idols of the noble savages from the time they exterminated almost every large mamal species 20-350000 before now, guess you'll really like the middle one best:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_of_Willendorf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_figurines

meth is a hell of a drug...

ritalin too...

[butcher]

TO THE TREES MY BROTHERS

[punkmar77]

Man we are a tough crowd, I like it too much...

[Bentheanarchist]

In a cabin; in a secluded remote area; no people; gun to hunt and attack hikers "who are damaging the land". ANARCHIST PARADISE! Youll die when your in your 40s due to no doctors! Hooray! BE A HERMIT!

[nike]

i have strong doubt that stupid fangirl skulldrix will ever make it to the lodge, not as long as bandwagoners like lierre keith, aric mcay, derrick jensen and - omigods - eckhart tolle show her the way - and i guess they are much too busy to do the pop and earning money with childrens stories...

ritalin too...

yes, smells like that: automatic copy-pasting without the slightest trace of background or coherence, strictly mechanical parroting of the fuhrer's latest fart...
blood and soil - guess keith and jensen took it from ernst häckel - proto-fascist and inspirator of such enlighted sects like the thule society, preaching the paradise of the aryan/germanic hunter getting the "sanctuaries of reproduction" pregnant for the coming eugenic reich...
evil clocks and menstruation, seductive make up and pornography, hellish urban babel vs. the blessing of mother earth: eva braun would have liked it, brainwashed as she was she would make a fine friend for skulldrix the prophetess of our doom...

what a gritty stupid bummer, i really have enough of this anders behring breivik/ted kaczynski sociopath fanclub bullshit, so here's something about the way the Mbuti really live today:

Reports of genocide

In 2003, Sinafasi Makelo, a representative of Mbuti pygmies, told the UN's Indigenous People's Forum that during the Congo Civil War, his people were hunted down and eaten as though they were game animals. In neighbouring North Kivu province there has been cannibalism by a group known as Les Effaceurs ("the erasers") who wanted to clear the land of people to open it up for mineral exploitation. Both sides of the war regarded them as "subhuman" and some say their flesh can confer magical powers. Makelo asked the UN Security Council to recognise cannibalism as a crime against humanity and an act of genocide. According to Minority Rights Group International there is extensive evidence of mass killings, cannibalism and rape of Pygmies and they have urged the International Criminal Court to investigate a campaign of extermination against pygmies. Although they have been targeted by virtually all the armed groups, much of the violence against Pygmies is attributed to the rebel group, the Movement for the Liberation of Congo, which is part of the transitional government and still controls much of the north, and their allies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmy_peoples

seems they don't like becoming "gifts" to the food chain?

[skulldrix]

OVERPOPULLATIONS- It's obvious that when we run out of resources, we wont be able to feed the rapidly rising population. But why do we populate to vastly, and why to tribal people have low birthrate,and infant mortality.It's because of agriculture. In agriculure we eat this shit called grain, which we cant even eat in the first place and it is pretty much killing us. Firstly, about birth control, women in poor communities or are less educated have higher birth rates. Secondly, well this should be firstly, women menostrate, more frequently, and at earlier stages of life, so they have more babies. This is because women are less active, and they eat grain which makes turns into fat, when you have too much fat you menostrate more often. Women don't have to menostrate. And it's strange how take for example, the Mbuti tribe, they are all lean and healthy, and they start sexual practice at very young ages, and it is encouraged actually, and they don't practice contraception and the teens don't get pregnant. Yet in this culture it's the exact opposite.

Kill the poor and use their meat as a replacement for grain. FULL ANARKEYZ

We are all going to die regardless. There is not enough to feed the 7 billion today. We've been out of soil since the 1950s. Our entire culture is dependent on machines. The food we eat, grains and plant based is actually fossil fuels.

Unfortunately, this is what we are heading too. I'm serious once this evil culture runs out of oil, many people are going to resort to cannibalism.

And Nike, your comment seems like the only one that is even remotely worthy of responding of, and I'm unfortuntaley I'm comparing you to ignorance and immaturity so low that, you know, I don't even think this is even respectful. But it's obvious that the pygmies are in terrible shape. But it's because of civilization that they are dying, and colonialism specifically.

Think of the history of America, the Europeans had totally overshot their landbase at the time of Colombus, that's why they were travelling looking for riches because their land was absolutely exploited, and destroyed.

Think of how the european settlers literally had to enslave large groups of indigenous americans to be able to survive. Think about the selling of African slaves. Truth is, agriculture is only sustainable through slavery, and slavery only attainable through violence and coercion. Agriculture in itself is domination of the soil.And with this comes the domination of people, to maintain this. But it is insustainable, that's why every civilization has ended itself throughout history.

My references to Ted K. were obviously from a comical viewpoint. But we can all learn from him that violence against this culture is resistance. I'm an anarchist also, but I don't excpect that we are going to change anything by protesting.

I'm not sure if you guys are being compeltely sarcastic,and if you don't get all worked up because I couldn't tell, this is the internet afterall.

Also, I don't see how you can watch this documentary and not feel. But you didn't and I shouldn't be suprised.

Lastly, I just don't see why Anarchists can't accept that it is civilization that has caused all of our problems.

I think it's ridiculous how you people believe that we are actually going to have technology in an anarchist world? Your views are of a smoggy anarcho-communist utopia which obviously won't make sense, because of many issues like property rights, etc, which is government neccessity.

But I can't convince you unfortunately, and we all know our time is up. But whatever.
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To be honest I never considered myself punk, well I broke away from it. Because in my town it's a fucking ghetto of: white ex-middle class twenty somethings with dreadlocks who all are communists who don't want jobs and all they do is drink beer, panhandle, trainhop, and travel.
Then there was the middle class urban punk kids who don't want anything to do with you if you don't have spiked hair, authentic doc martens, and look punked out etc.

So for me it was always these groups, the snobby crusties, and the snobby middle class. And when I decided to stop following around their poor examples, and actually took the time to look at the world and educate myself I learned that their entire philosophy is flawed.

Okay so since you guys are punks I'll tell you that the majority of crust bands deal with anti-civ themes:

Nausea
Dystopia
Skaven
Concrete Sox
Amebix
Crass

and probably more than I know. But seriously, that's not even the point, it's that why are we on a website trying so hard to take down one another and make fun of, what's the point. But you know what I was right about the internet.

[skulldrix]

Civilization, also, is not anarchist.

Anarchism and civilization are all opposing.

You can't have ana anarchist civilization, as you can't have anarcho-capitalism.

They are oxymorons.

Every example of anarchy we ever had was uncivilized.

I didn't want to say this, but fuck you , you stupid punks! Such a disappointment, you don't understand anything. Fuck you and your leftwing liberal middleclass white commie shit beliefs.



I hope you never have to have carcniogens in your drinking water

[punkmar77]

Payaso

[butcher]

We are all going to die regardless.

no shit.

There is not enough to feed the 7 billion today.

Yes, there is.

We've been out of soil since the 1950s.

No, we aren't.

Our entire culture is dependent on machines.

skylab is go!

The food we eat, grains and plant based is actually fossil fuels.

again, kill the poor=anarkeyz?

[nike]

omigods - the next part of the walking personality crisis:

Anarchism and civilization are all opposing.

Every example of anarchy we ever had was uncivilized.

and todays personal fav:

I didn't want to say this, but fuck you , you stupid punks! Such a disappointment, you don't understand anything. Fuck you and your leftwing liberal middleclass white commie shit beliefs.

thats what daft prattling parrots are good for... can someone move the topic into "entertainment" please...

[Bakica]

because double isn't enough.

[Bentheanarchist]

Primitivism is reactionary. There is no example of a working primatavist society. Forcing everyone to be hunters and gatherers would eliminate the population thing beacause everyone would starve in your society. Thats why I am anti-primativist. Progress is Anarchist.

[Bakica]

Forcing everyone to be hunters and gatherers would eliminate the population thing beacause everyone would starve in your society.

Not necessarily. It would just make people work more to survive.

[lil'apple]

Forcing everyone to be hunters and gatherers would eliminate the population thing beacause everyone would starve in your society.

Not necessarily. It would just make people work more to survive.

definitely reactionary because of the ideological background dating back to creeps like ernst häckel and some more of the anti-modernist inspirators of such nice misanthropic sects like the thule society and the german nazis, up to the ideas of eugenics - like Nike wrote.
creeps like zerzan and doom jensen just copypasted this bullshits into modern times, including this "99% will have to go"-genozid nightmare and the "above politics"-character of the primitivist "movement", making it a quasi absolute truth:

I didn't want to say this, but fuck you , you stupid punks! Such a disappointment, you don't understand anything. Fuck you and your leftwing liberal middleclass white commie shit beliefs.

wouldn't this fit quite perfectly into a stormfront-thread about "leftists"?
"disappointment"?: the complete and utter lack of knowledge about history and realities today, resulting in their idiotic ignorance of the fact that as soon as two people decide to do things in a certain way different to others are already creating a "civilisation" by their doing, no matter how they do it, because "civilisation" is just sciences name for everything made by humans - guess thats why they always tend to degrade humans "down" to mere animals...no, we don't have to use our unique talents to get things right, we have to give up everything and degrade back to where we came from a long and painful way... thats what i call "reactionary".
and just try to imagine the "chosen few" (the survivors of "the breakdown"/the necessary genozide) living hunting and gathering in the remains of "civilisation" - including nuclear and chemical surprises from the rotting ruins - quite a promising paradise...
most appalling their weirdo-abuse of myths like the "clean" way of living of the central african pygmie-people, producing "proof" far from reality or real life - sheepshit-drix is just the perfect example:
paleolithic hunters and gatherers didn't exterminate whole species in europe, asia and the americas, war and massmurdering didn't started before the neolithic change/the development of agriculture - oh no:

Upper paleolithic
The first archaeological record of what could be a prehistoric battle is at a Mesolithic site known as Cemetery 117. It was determined to be about 14,340 to 13,140 years old and located on the Nile near the Egypt-Sudan border. It contains a large number of bodies, many with arrowheads embedded in their skeletons, which indicates that they may have been the casualties of a battle. Some question this conclusion by arguing that the bodies may have accumulated over many decades, and may even be evidence of the murder of trespassers rather than actual battles. Nearly half of the bodies are female, and this fact also causes some to question the argument for large-scale warfare.
Beginning around 12,000 BC, combat was transformed by the development of bows, maces, and slings. The bow seems to have been the most important weapon in the development of early warfare, in that it enabled attacks to be launched with far less risk to the attacker when compared to the risk involved in the use of mêlée combat weaponry. While there are no cave paintings of battles between men armed with clubs, the development of the bow is concurrent with the first known depictions of organized warfare consisting of clear illustrations of two or more groups of men attacking each other. These figures are arrayed in lines and columns with a distinctly garbed leader at the front. Some paintings even portray still-recognizable tactics like flankings and envelopments.
Warfare originated independently in other parts of the world as late as 4,000 years ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_warfare

"her ancestors" weren't aggressive expansionist genozidal massmurderers, agriculturing and war faring even before the "white man" came - see the "question for racism"-thread the dumb fangirl set up, and i wonder how far her idiotic racist wonderland developed by now:

white ex-middle class twenty somethings with dreadlocks who all are communists who don't want jobs and all they do is drink beer, panhandle, trainhop, and travel.
Then there was the middle class urban punk kids who don't want anything to do with you if you don't have spiked hair, authentic doc martens, and look punked out etc.
&
Fuck you and your leftwing liberal middleclass white commie shit beliefs.

and all that from a person that takes her believes from professional commercial fairy tale writers and a handful of bands, who

and probably more than I know. But seriously, that's not even the point, it's that why are we on a website trying so hard to take down one another and make fun of, what's the point. But you know what I was right about the internet.

and then the top of idiocy:
stupid wallflower sheepshit explains "anarchy"...

Every example of anarchy we ever had was uncivilized.

oh yes, we don't understand anything...

[butcher]

Oh, I only just noticed that one lil'applez!:
Skulldrix notes:

white ex-middle class twenty somethings with dreadlocks who all are communists who don't want jobs and all they do is drink beer, panhandle, trainhop, and travel.
Then there was the middle class urban punk kids who don't want anything to do with you if you don't have spiked hair, authentic doc martens, and look punked out etc.
&
Fuck you and your leftwing liberal middleclass white commie shit beliefs.

Funny coming from someone advocating the mass liquidation of the poor:

OVERPOPULLATIONS- It's obvious that when we run out of resources, we wont be able to feed the rapidly rising population... Firstly, about birth control, women in poor communities or are less educated have higher birth rates.

"Quick! Stop them poor breeding before they impact on our lifestyle!" screams the Bourgeoisie

Primitivism is reactionary.

Yes skulldrix, we are the anarchist 'communists who don't want jobs' yr teachers warned you about.

as an aside, you want to destroy civilisation but also want a job?

[JBastard]

To make this happen, you are literally calling for a mass extinction event.

Regarding overpopulation: As living standards increase (mostly due to access to technology), birth rate drops. So the technological answer solves the problem by influencing people into making less babies, the primitivists answer is to make lots of them and let nature kill them off. Hey, doesn't that make nature sound kind of authoritarian? Just because something is natural doesn't mean it's automatically good! Fuck, genital warts are natural, but I bet you'd still go to a doctor if you got them...

Also medical science saved my life, and the lives of my parents. Probably yours too and you didn't even know it. You been vaccinated against anything?

While technology has been abused at the hands of capitalists (and they've already blown a massive opportunity with all the oil the earth had, all that cheap energy could have springboarded development into renewables and developing poorer communities), it does not make technology itself evil. If we are slaves to machines, then we are slaves equally to nature. The difference is that we can make machines do things that help us, and predict and control the consequences. Where as nature just does what ever, it really doesn't care if you live or die, and you can't do anything about that if don't use technology.

One day nature is going to fuck us over, whether it's natural climate change or an asteroid or a new disease. We have the chance to stop this from happening, and free from the bullshit of capitalism, we have a possibility of doing it in a way that doesn't trash the planet. And we shouldn't do this because of some philosophical wank about being slaves to machines? Eh, no.

And while we're quoting song lyrics...

"Harness the wind, Harness the waves
We don't need this filthy nuclear waste."